5. A secret agenda
DR: So, back to music, for an ending. What do you think of the music of today? Did you listen to anything lately?
Man, to be really honest, the last several years I’ve hardly listened to any contemporary music. It’s just…I don’t have time, that’s just it. I do listen to music all the music; I’ve got my iPod with mostly older music. It’s mostly ethnic music, and other than that, any western music it’s going to be, it’s ‘60s weirdness psychedelia, old free jazz, be-bop, Albert Ayler, Coltrane
. I listen to Sun Ra
all the time – still. I can turn on any song of Sun Ra (there are so many), and every time I listen to it, I always hear something that I didn’t hear before.
BS: You know the album 'Atlantis'?
BS: I had the most amazing sex ever, while listening to it. It just happened to be Atlantis, I didn’t think of it, it just happened to be playing.
I bet he knew that.
BS: Ha! In the ‘60s!
Yeah. He knew that some day, some kid in Romania will have the time of his life.
DR: If you have any advice for the youngsters, since there’s so much shit in the music of today. 90% of them, to be optimistic, it’s not that good.
It’s tough, but it’s not just here, it’s everywhere. It’s just globalized music shit that’s out there now. I don’t know anything about hip-hop, techno, the dance beats stuff; I hear it when I hear it, usually in clubs…but I don’t go to clubs… But it’s everywhere, the same vocoder voice auto tune shit. I travel a lot to Asia. I was in Thailand last year for a few months, and even there, modern music is the same shit. It’s just their version of it. And they think that it’s just like people really don’t care about the culture of their history. They want to be modern and they think that’s what everybody wants to hear. Sadly, a lot of people do want to hear that, because they’ve been brainwashed to think that that’s the stuff to listen to. But it’s crap, and you know it. That’s the pop, and techno, hip-hop, trip-hop, I don’t know what other ‘hops’ are, and then there are the indie bands, which try to make their mark. I don’t listen to a lot of current stuff, but I just hear it when I tour, I see it. Some of these bands sound the same, there’s nothing there that’s new or exciting. There might be one or two that - maybe – they’re saying something in their words, or maybe they’re getting a little angular with the guitar, making it a little weird…maybe. But most of them …are just part of a factory.
BS: And they’re not aware of that. They think they’re all special.
Yeah. But they have to. I mean, that’s their band. They have to believe in that, otherwise there’s no reason for them to do it. But a lot of other people won’t see that. And there are still plenty of people for them. Probably Red Bull sponsors a thousand bands like that; they have the big concerts, and a bunch of people show up and scream and know the words in the songs. When I see something on TV or something of that thing, I’m just looking and I’m like ‘these people are just idiots’. But it’s not fair for me to say that, because those people might look of what I do or what Sun City Girls did and think the exact same thing. And that’s cool.
DR: So who’s right?
Who’s right, yes?
BS: Well, I could give you a little argument. You can comprehend what they’re doing, even if you don’t like it, but they can’t comprehend what you’re doing.
That’s a good point. That’s not going to change. The way I see it now, music is corporate. You have corporate sponsorships for bands, for festivals that promote certain bands because there are on certain labels backed by certain amounts of money from a certain company or a group of companies. And that’s what gets exported out of the States, to other places and towards its becoming like a globalized form of music. This is what you will listen to. This is what the people listen to. The kids of today… that’s what they see, that’s the music somebody has paid a lot of money to get the most people for them to hear, and usually some of the biggest names in pop, like Kanye West
, all these people who are huge. There’s also an agenda that seems to come with that, based on what they’re talking about, whether it’s specific kinds of sexuality, or transgender stuff. There seems to always be some kind of other thing that’s going with the music, which is being used to influence.
BS: The gimmick.
It’s not just the gimmick; it’s a philosophy. And it’s a state of being. There are people like…there’s this guy…what’s his name…is it Kanye? Who’s married to Beyonce
BS: It’s Jay-Z.
Who’s married to Rihanna
BS: Chris Brown.
Ok, there’s still another one I’m thinking of. It’s not Puff Daddy
, it’s not Kanye
, it’s somebody else…He has his own clothing line.
BS: Jay-Z, yeah. Rockafella.
Yeah. Think of all this Illuminati symbolism, which is being used now to promote them, and there’s big money behind it. Where’s the money coming from? Are they suppose to get this symbolism out there, to indicate something, to get people more familiar with the idea of control? It just depends on how you look at it. But with Madonna
, it’s always the sex, sex, sex. And with Britney Spears
it was the sex and white trash.
Besides the music, it’s the image produced, that they know people are going to copy and imitate and create this huge group of consumers who are going to buy this. With corporate music now, you have big money behind it, but there’s always some other agenda. I actually know that, to a certain degree. It’s social engineering. And that’s a way to get people think in certain directions and to not think in other directions that would be more beneficent for them. That’s an American thing. That’s how I see certain things, because I know how influential that huge money is.
The same could have been said in the ‘60s about the Beatles
. They did the same kind of thing. They changed fashion, which is what people are doing now, they’ve changed philosophy, and they’ve changed culture in a major way. And I think that’s probably what these people are trying to do. But I don’t think the Beatles had an agenda, except for love. They were pretty positive. There was a freedom of expression. They could argue that these bands like the Jay-Z
’s and Madonna
’s and Beyonce
’s and whatever, that they are trying to do the same thing, but no. I see through it. First of all, times are different now. And now it’s not really the bands and the music that’s influencing, it’s the machine behind all that, which is creating little consumers and just certain ways of thought. And I think it’s a way to control people. But that’s just the big corporate stuff. None of these corporations would get behind somebody like me or even somebody like…I almost wanted to say somebody like Omar Souleyman
…but it’s a fine line there. Maybe…
So, in order to get that power behind you, I think you have to kiss a lot of ass and you have to just play a game. It’s like a game and you’re the meat, but they don’t care, because they make a shit tone of money. I don’t know…I love a good conspiracy.
You have to use the C word - control
- there’s a sense of control. The bigger these bands get and the more money they get, these people get richer and richer and richer, and these other people get poorer and poorer and poorer. Towards it’s just servant and master. And that’s where the control thing comes in. I don’t worship false gods. You have to be aware of the possibilities, I think.
DR: Absolutely. Well, I think… we can stop around here. Thank you so much for the time.
You got a lot out of me. You got a few things out of me that nobody else has ever gotten out of me. I think.
main photo credits: Doug Kim
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